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Jordan DeLong scripsit: > [1] In cases where individuals don't really make sense for a > particular thing, such as water/sand/etc, the brivla are defined > so that individual references actually reference masses already (le > djacu is a mass, and lei djacu is a mass of masses), which keeps > individuals more fundamental. Au contraire: le djacu is a *quantity*, an *individual*, of water, in the same sense that we say "Give me two waters" for glasses, or bottles, or jugs, or test tubes full of water. The whole point is that Lojban doesn't make brivla-specific distinctions between "mass nouns" and "count nouns"; everything is a count noun with lV and a mass noun with lVi. There are exceptions, like le gunma, where the individual is itself a mass. -- Not to perambulate || John Cowan <jcowan@hidden.email> the corridors || http://www.reutershealth.com during the hours of repose || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in the boots of ascension. \\ Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel