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That's a mouthful. I haven't read it yet, but that doesn't inhibit me from heckling it!! * Does your theory work for jikau, outside of any du'u and far from djuno? I am terrified that we are ending up with a solution for makau that only works with djuno, or at the broadest, djuno-style selbri. * Do you address the sleight of hand that Jorge pulled, where ko'a gets quantified like a da, while makau escapes such limitations? It's worse than su'ono makau vs. su'opa ko'a. Check out the end of (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/message/1042). There is probably a digit we can prepend to ko'a to liberate it from being a fixed referent, the opposite of the meaning assigned to tu'o by its hijackers. * You say you missed recent struggles over kau. Did you know of my identity abstractor, su'u ce'u broda kei be le kamdu'i, or li'o le kamse'i? -- jipno se kerlo re mei re mei degji kakne