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Lojbab: > Not following the discussion, but seeing something familiar fly by .. > > At 06:03 PM 12/11/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote: > >It seems to me that we can establish a number of distinct > >epistemological frameworks within which communication is > >viable > > > >1. The speaker claims that p is true only within a certain worldview > >(which the addressee can comprehend) > >2. The speaker claims that p is true only within a certain worldview > >(which the addressee can comprehend) and that the worldview should > >be shared by people in general > >3. The speaker claims that p is true only within a certain worldview > >(which the addressee can comprehend) and that the worldview is > >be shared by people in general > >4. The speaker claims that p is true only within a certain worldview > >(which the addressee can comprehend) and that the worldview is and > >should be shared by people in general > >5. The speaker claims that there is such a thing as objective reality > >and that p is true of objective reality > > > >(When I say "claim", feel free to read "presuppose" where it seems > >more appropriate.) > > I think the worldview aspect of 1-4 is carried by ka'u. I can't perceive any connection between ka'u and 1-4. >I don't know why > Lojban needs to support all the "should be shared" stuff. If people care about it enough then they can create an appropriate set of UI cmavo. > Claims about other people and what they believe are not knowable > without omniscience, I don't understand quite what you mean, but I don't want to get into a discussion about what is knowable, and I will simply argue against anybody who argues that Lojban has to subscribe to a particular theory of epistemology. > and Lojban has for the most part avoided speakers speaking other than for > themselves except with the empathy attitudinal Again, I'm not sure quite what you mean. The question is, if I utter the jufra "broda", exactly what speech act am I performing? Without explicit UI in the sentence, I think the answer should be as vague as possible, and certainly shouldn't be some act highly specified within a particular epistemological model. --And.