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On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 11:27:03AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, And Rosta wrote: > [...] > > > We may disagree about whether an answer is a sumti or a du'u, but > > > certainly lo'i du'u Qkau is a set of *propositional* 'answers' like "Alice > > > shot JR". > > > > What's a propositional answer? Do you mean a filled repeat of the original > > question, such as "Alice shot JR."? Fine, but then let's stop chanting the > > mantra that du'u makau zukte is the/an answer to the question. It's not an > > answer, it's a du'u statement which happens to answer the question -- > > because it *contains* the answer. > > I think what AndR is saying is that if I have: > ledu'u makau klama le zarci > it's the same as > ro lu'a ledu'u la djan. klama le zarci kei kuce ledu'u > la djen. klama le zarci kei kuce ledu'u ... > For each value of X placed in the x1. > > Other types of kau (jikau, xukau, etc) return smaller sets. > > Whether or not this actually makes sense, OTOH is debatable. At > the very least, it would mean that AndR's lo'edu'u stuff is probably > wrong (at least when the du'u contains a kau), because du'u wouldn't > neccesarily be a singleton. > > Actually it is in fact wrong. Here's why: > la djan. klama le zarci > mi djuno ledu'u makau klama le zarci > should not imply > mi djuno ledu'u la djen. klama le zarci > > > If that's all we mean, then makau is just like ko'a if we ease up a bit on > > the demand that every ko'a must be assigned with goi, and allow them to be > > assigned operationally. Which is not a bad idea! > > It's a horrible idea. I like ko'a the way it is. .uenai do roroi pante ro si'o na'e mutce tinbe la xuncku > Not that ko'a *must* be assigned with goi (I used unbound ko'a in > Little Things to try to reflect that Carver never refers to the > characters except as "he" and "she" (and "it" for the infant)); but > in most cases it should be bound (either before or after it is > used). .i ka'u zo da na nitcu zo poi .i ja'o .ei da poi cmavo zo'u da ge na nitcu zo goi .a zo poi gi smuni da sera'a le tergi'u .i le veljmina be le preti cmavo bei zo kau cu nalracli terzu'e tu'a da -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.