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On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 08:33:25PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> Jordan:
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:13:26PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > > xorxes:
> > [...]
> > > > >3. CAhA, da'i, mu'ei etc
> > > >
> > > > ka'e = su'omu'ei
> > > > ca'a = <this>mu'ei
> > > > nu'o = ka'e jenai ca'a
> > > > pu'i = ?
> > >
> > > So we are in agreement that "is innately capable" is a mis-gloss
> > > of {ka'e}? You, me, Adam and, I see, Jordan seem to be. I.e. it
> > > means {cumki} more than {kakne}
> >
> > Eh? I think it *is* kakne. I see {su'omu'ei} as a reasonable
> > explaination of what kakne means (there's probably a different (more
> > restricted) accessability relation going on than for cumki though)
> > Or actually su'oba'oi would be better, no?
>
> I had supposed that "i kakne play the trombone" is false but
> "cumki I play the trombone" is true, under average assumptions.
> I don't see a difference between cumki and su'o mu'ei/ba'oi.
> So either cumki is equivalent to kakne or else either ka'e is
> not equivalent to kakne or ka'e is not equivalent to su'o mu'ei.
Well, that's my point though---if ka'e/kakne (which I think must
be the same) mean su'omu'ei, they mean it with a different accessabilty
relation than the su'omu'ei that cumki or lakne means. I think
this makes sense, and is probably more accurate than a view using
the same world relation but requiring truth in more accessible
worlds.
WRT mu'ei (and somewhat off topic), I just realized (while trying
to think of a way it could be done as a NU) that all that ledu'u
... kei goo (or for whatever reason some prefer lo'edu'u, though I
maintain that a statement is itself and trying to think of a typical
version of a set of (itself) is weird, and seems to imply the set
isn't singular) can be avoided by using a forethought stag:
ro mu'ei gi do gerku gi mi citkygau do
Which is kinda nice.
> I'm a bit hazy about what exactly kakne and "innately capable"
> mean, though.
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Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
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