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Jordan: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:13:26PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > xorxes: > [...] > > > >3. CAhA, da'i, mu'ei etc > > > > > > ka'e = su'omu'ei > > > ca'a = <this>mu'ei > > > nu'o = ka'e jenai ca'a > > > pu'i = ? > > > > So we are in agreement that "is innately capable" is a mis-gloss > > of {ka'e}? You, me, Adam and, I see, Jordan seem to be. I.e. it > > means {cumki} more than {kakne} > > Eh? I think it *is* kakne. I see {su'omu'ei} as a reasonable > explaination of what kakne means (there's probably a different (more > restricted) accessability relation going on than for cumki though) > Or actually su'oba'oi would be better, no? I had supposed that "i kakne play the trombone" is false but "cumki I play the trombone" is true, under average assumptions. I don't see a difference between cumki and su'o mu'ei/ba'oi. So either cumki is equivalent to kakne or else either ka'e is not equivalent to kakne or ka'e is not equivalent to su'o mu'ei. I'm a bit hazy about what exactly kakne and "innately capable" mean, though. --And.