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Re: [jboske] unresolved debates


la djorden cusku di'e


> {so'a} and {so'e} are clearly relative to {ro}, unless
> the keywords ("almost all", "most") are totally meaningless.
> It seems to me that they are necessarily less than ro, and
> also at least ro/2.

As was being discussed on the wiki, this sort of way of looking at
things has issues for infinite sets.  ro/2 can be ro in those cases.


But then "almost all" and "most" will also be infinite.


I'd suggest viewing so'a and so'e as iterators along with ro.  So,
while ro executes your propositional function for every x, so'a and
so'e execute for every x, but it should evaluate true for only every
N x's, and false for the rest.


I suspect you meant to say something else there. so'a/so'e
should evaluate true for an infinite number of cases when ro
is infinite, so it can't be true for only a finite number of
cases.

You can't say either that for any finite subset it should evaluate
as true for most of its members because for some selected
subsets it will evaluate true for all members, for other
selected subsets it will evaluate true for no members, etc.


(This is because, as xorxes was
saying, so'[ae] should imply naku ro; if it only evaluated for every
N x's instead, it wouldn't be an exact number claim).

I'm not sure if this approach can adapt to ce'i without forcing it
to claim that there are at least 100 values for x.

I dunno about so'[iou].

[...]
> >3. CAhA, da'i, mu'ei etc.
>
> ka'e = su'omu'ei
> ca'a = <this>mu'ei
> nu'o = ka'e jenai ca'a
> pu'i = ?

not {ka'e je ca'a}?


With the above definition, that reduces to {ca'a}.


Or perhaps nu'o as {pu naje ba ka'e} and pu'i as {pu je ba ka'e}?


That brings in time, which should in principle be orthogonal
to CAhA. I don't remember whether {pu na} meant "never in the
past", or "at some point in the past, not".

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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