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xod: #> From memory, his ex was #> something like {le ni la djan cilre ce'u} = "the amount of things #> read by John". Would this be an example of what you have in mind? # #Yes; which I phrase as "the number of sumti valid for that tergi'u". # #http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/message/273 OK. le ni ce'u nenri le dakli the amount of things in the bag = da poi mo'e ke'a de nenri le dakli Would {le ni ce'u prami ce'u} mean "the amount of lover--beloved pairings"? That would be much harder to say in some other way. #> > > Regarding the conceptual redundancy, I don't find "extent to which" #> > > and "whether" to be redundant. Sometimes it is useful to be able to #> > > restrict "extent to which" to Yes or No (= "whether"). This distinction #> > > needn't be made be ni vs jei, but it's not redundant (and I don't know #> > > how else to make it) #> > #> > Since jei is fuzzy, it does not give you the boolean you seek! You have a #> > choice between "the extent to which (-00, 00)" and "the extent to which #> > [0, 1]" #> #> I seek: #> #> (a) a way to do "the extent to which", ranging from infinitely much to #> infinitely not-at-all #> #> (b) a way to do "whether", ranging from completely true to completely #> false. #> #> -- which seems to correspond to the choice you offer me. Now, according #> to you, how would I express (a) and (b) in Lojban? # #jei is perfect for either one. I don't choose to interpret those two #sentences as having different meaning! Okay. I find that unsatisfactory. I'm happy to see (b) as a subtype of (a), but I know from experience that I often want to say (b) and not (a) -- I often want to say "whether" rather than "extent to which". --And.