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[sent 5 Nov] pc: > arosta@hidden.email writes: > << > > I don't know what terminology would be more familiar to you than > "extensionally" > and "intensionally" defined sets. An ext.-defined set is one defined > by listing its > members -- and they may have no uniquely common property other than their > very membership of the set. An int-defined set is the set S such that > every x is > a member of S iff x has property P. > > >> > OK, normal meaning. But then the problem is that e-sets (and le > everythings pretty much) are defined extensionally and then given a > label, which may or may not actually apply. That is, the members are > picked first, then the "property". Or are you making a total change > in this pattern here (it doesn't really seem so from other things you say)? I've only very recently been thinking about this, but my current thinking is that {le'i (su'o) broda} is unspecified about whether the set is e-defined or i-defined, tho if it is i-defined, the defining property is not specified (every member is a broda, but not every broda is necessarily a member). But, otoh, {le'i ro broda} would be an i-defined set, tho again with the defining property unspecified. This is because cardinality ro allows for cardinality 0. A 0-cardinality subset of lo'i broda cannot be defined extensionally, so it must be defined intensionally. --And.