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Xod: > When are we going to confess that this new monster is anything but the > cultural, subjective term "typical", which the baseline clearly assigns to > "lo'e" and which is in current use by everyone else, and give this > algebraic contraption an experimental cmavo? Jorge is just trying to put his understanding of loe on a formal footing. Even formalizing "the typical" is a tricky task, and both Jorge's & my understanding of lo'e comes from trying to make sense of "the typical", and the understanding of le'e comes from analysing it as an E-series counterpart of lo'e. In terms of usage, Jorge has been the main user of lo'e, and not just because he is the main user of Lojban. And if you have a decko at the Importance of Being Earnest page on the wiki, you will see that loe & lee pretty much end up as the default unmarked gadri (used as they are for singleton and generic reference), with lo following in 3rd place. Anything Jorge or I write can be dismissed as an aberration, of course, (& the very fact of my writing Lojban is aberrant), but if I was looking for examples of thoughtful gadri choice, I'd tend to look first to stuff written by Jorge or me... --And.