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Re: [jboske] lo'e, le'e




la adam cusku di'e

The problem I see with these 'kairbroda's is that, while they are
seljvajvo, their gismu deep structure is 'xy.1 brode lo'e ckaji be
xy.2', and so this definition of 'lo'e' is circular. I think that the
gadri for 'ckaji' here must by lo'e/le'e, otherwise you will end up
claiming that the x2 exists.

I don't need to define {sisku}. It is already a primitive in Lojban.
If you understand the relationship between {sisku} and the predicate
{buska} that I defined in terms of {sisku}, and if you are able to
generalize it for other predicates, then that's all you need. That
{kairbroda} happens to be a jvajvo is a side issue. I have not
defined {kairbroda}. You have to understand these sisku-like
predicates (which I have taken as primitives) in order to understand
{lo'e}. But {sisku} is a primitive, so I don't think that should
be a problem.

I am not sure if you are still going by the zi'o/zu'i story, but here
are my observations on it. Originally you claimed that 'lo'e' is like
'zi'o', but with content,

Yes, but I don't really want to insist with that. I think
{lo'e broda} has things in common with {zi'o}, chiefly that
it does not provide an instance for {da}, but I think this is
not crucial to understanding it in terms of the definition I
gave.

and then you later claimed that 'zu'i' is
the contentless 'lo'e' (i.e. lo'e's da), so zu'i ends up being equal
to zi'o.

I don't think I ever claimed {zu'i} was contentless. I did
propose it to be something like lo'e's da, which could also
be {lo'e du}.

I wander what {mi sisku le ka ce'u du} means. I'm looking for
something without necessarily there being some thing such that
I'm looking for it. What would {mi sisku zi'o} mean?

I would be at least hesitant about that conclusion. Did you
intend that they be equal?

No, I didn't. I'm starting to like And's {lo'e mibypre} for
"one" though, which is what I wanted {zu'i} for.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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