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(I'm apologize if any of what I'm about to say was dealt with in the recent discussion on this subject; I think I read most of the relevant messages, but might have missed some.) la xorxes. cusku di'e > So we have defined {lo'e broda} when it appears in the x2 of > {buska}. To generalize for any context {brode lo'e broda}, we > need a predicate that is to {brode} as {sisku} is to {buska}. > This protopredicate is simply {kairbrode}. It takes a property > in x2 instead of the x2 of brode. The problem I see with these 'kairbroda's is that, while they are seljvajvo, their gismu deep structure is 'xy.1 brode lo'e ckaji be xy.2', and so this definition of 'lo'e' is circular. I think that the gadri for 'ckaji' here must by lo'e/le'e, otherwise you will end up claiming that the x2 exists. I am not sure if you are still going by the zi'o/zu'i story, but here are my observations on it. Originally you claimed that 'lo'e' is like 'zi'o', but with content, and then you later claimed that 'zu'i' is the contentless 'lo'e' (i.e. lo'e's da), so zu'i ends up being equal to zi'o. I would be at least hesitant about that conclusion. Did you intend that they be equal? mu'o mi'e .adam.