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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 pycyn@hidden.email wrote:
> In a message dated 10/18/2002 5:39:51 AM Central Daylight Time,
> a.rosta@hidden.email writes:
>
> <<
> > Fair enough, but on this point I become a xodite: when applied to
> > classes that appear to be non-singleton (with 0 or more than 1 members),
> > lo'e/le'e force us into a new world-view. In such a case it is
> > perfectly legitimate for you say "I have no inkling what this means"
> > or "I have an inkling, but when I think it through it just doesn't
> > stand up", but part of its appeal is precisely that it coerces a
> > novel world-view onto the underlying 'facts' of the universe.
> >>
> Building koans into the language defeats the whole point of koans, which work
> by using the ordinary to force the extraordinary. Something labelled "this
> is to make you see the extraordinary" is just going to fail -- and lead to
> frustration. It is not the job of langauge to force a new world view but to
> give means to decribe the world of a given view adequately.
But isn't that the goal of the project! JCB didn't have a bizarre
worldview which he Loglan to express.
It is a bonus
> that that means can also -- properly used -- force a reconceptualization of
> the world. In Lojban terms, putting in a word that is claimed to have a
> Whorfian effect, pretty much guarantees that it won't -- and it clutters up
> the language with useless detritus.
What if we create a word that's very hard to describe in English? And make
it a short word with a grammar that permits it to be used commonly?
Better, I think, to drop {lo'e}
> altogether or give it a meaning within the langauge as now bound. Especially
> when there is a pretty useful thing it could do (and historically has done,
> albeit confusedly).
>
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