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What is the difference between an incomplete proposition like "___ klama" or "___1 klama ___2" and a property or relation like "ce'u klama" and "ce'u klama ce'u"? I don't know. I don't know whether there is a difference.
I agree, I don't see any difference either.
Anyway, returning to the frica example, I would like to find a way to say it that expresses the underlying logic, instead of relying on Qkau. I doubt that my ke'a+ce'u suggestion is what we're looking for, though.
la djan fa'u la meris zvati la paris fa'u la romas
John and Mary are in Paris and Rome respectively.
la djan frica la meris le ka ce'u zvati makau
John differs from Mary in where they are.
The semantic binding provided by frica, zmadu, mleca, dunli, etc
is that "x1 fa'u x2" is the thing with the property in x3.
In the case of mutce, milxe, dukse, traji, etc, it is only the
thing in x1 that binds the property. In the case of simxu, it
is the members of x1 taken in pairs that bind the relationship x2.
We could also say:
la djan frica la meris le ka ce'u zvati la paris fa'u la romas
John differs from Mary in that they are in Paris and Rome
respectively.
We got rid of makau in the usual way, by answering the question:
la djan fa'u la meris cu zvati ma
The only thing odd about frica and the others is how the property
applies to x1 and x2, joined with fa'u, but other than that it
behaves like other indirect questions. We could say:
la djan gleki le nu la meris zvati la romas
John is happy that Mary is in Rome.
la djan mutce le ka ce'u gleki le nu la meris zvati la romas
John is much in being happy that Mary is in Rome.
(John is very happy that Mary is in Rome.)
la djan mutce le ka ce'u gleki makau
John is much in what he is happy about.
(Whatever John is happy about, he is very happy about it.)
I don't know if this helps, but at least it shows that the comparison
predicates behave essentially like the simple property predicates.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
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