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Re: [jboske] McCawley on existential import




la pycyn cusku di'e

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> The "free floating" {da} is {su'o da}. I take {su'o} to be importing, of
> course. It is {ro}
> that I take to be non-importing.
>>
I though you had -- given what you have said the last few times -- gone over
wholly to non-importing quantifiers.

No, I have always stuck to (A-E-O+I+), since I started learning
Lojban in 1994. It is you who has gone through different
variations.

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Because {ro broda cu brode} is not {naku su'o broda naku brode} for importing
{ro} and {su'o}.
>>
And so?  When do you want to say this and why?

Sometimes we want to transform an expression with one quantifier
in terms of the other for greater clarity, for example.

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ro broda cu brode = ge su'o de broda gi ro da zo'u ganai da broda gi da brode
no broda cu brode = no da zo'u ge da broda gi da brode
su'o broda cu brode = su'o da zo'u ge da broda gi da brode
me'iro broda cu brode = ge su'o de broda gi me'iro da zo'u ganai da broda gi
da brode
>>
No, since I would take (history again) all the broda forms as primitive and
the ones in terms of {da} as short for {Q zasti zo'u ... zy ...}.

I really don't see what you mean here.

Lojban is
trying to be a human language, not a logical formulary, after all.

Interesting comment coming from you.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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