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Re: [engelang] Logos Initiative




On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:34 PM, And Rosta and.rosta@hidden.email [engelang] <engelang@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Jorge Llambías jjllambias@hidden.email [engelang], On 02/10/2014 22:56:
>
> I was thinking the additive merge of two places from same predicate
> would correspond to reciprocals, but I guess not, "mother and child"
> is not a full reciprocal. How would it work with the two predicates
> in the opposite order? "X are well, Y is mother of Z, X du Y&Z". Can
> this order be done without "du"? It seems you would need a third type
> of merge: "X are well, (among X) is mother of (among X)".

1. X are well
2. Y is mother of Z
3. Additive merge: Z&Y
4. Intersective merge: (Z&Y)+X

Isn't step 3 disallowed, since both ESAPs are from the same word? 

> And how would one do full reciprocals, say "mother and child love one
> another"? "X is mother of Y, X&Y love X&Y"? Maybe there are
> reciprocal inflections as well as reflexive ones?

I haven't worked on reciprocals since the 1990s, but casting my mind back to then, I recall there were a range of reciprocal predicates (for things like "each member of X ... every other member of X", "each member of X ... every member of X", "each member of X broda some other member of X and each member of X se broda some other member of X", and so forth). Roughly speaking they're dyadic predicate with one argument a plural and the other a ka-phrase containing two ce'u (-- Lojbanizing the explication). 

But you're right that additive merger offers new possibilities for reciprocals of a sort that neutralize the reflexive--reciprocal distinction.

1. X is mother of Y
2. Additive merge: X&Y
3. Z loves Z's self [= inflectional reflexive]
4. Intersective merge: Z+(X&Y)

1. X is mother of Y
2. Additive merge: X&Y
3. Z loves W
4. Intersective merge: Z+(X&Y)
5. V du U
6. Intersective merge: V+(Z+(X&Y))
7. Intersective merge: U+W

Again, is step 2 allowed in these?

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