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selpa'i seladwa@hidden.email [engelang] scripsit: > Everytime you say that ("lojban is not a loglang", "lojban is a terrible > language" :P ), I die a little inside, even though I think I agree with > you that one can do much better than Lojban did. Here's Fred Brooks, from his list of the woes of programming from _The Mythical Man-Month_ (in Chapter 1, "The Tar Pit"): The last woe, and sometimes the last straw, is that the product over which one has labored so long appears to be obsolete upon (or before) completion. Already colleagues and competitors are in hot pursuit of new and better ideas. Already the displacement of one's thought-child is not only conceived, but scheduled. This always seems worse than it really is. The new and better product is generally not *available* when one completes his own; it is only talked about. It too, will require months [or years] of development. The real tiger is never a match for the paper one, *unless actual use is wanted* [emphasis added]. Then the virtues of reality have a satisfaction all their own. Of course the technological base on which one builds is *always* advancing. As soon as one freezes a design, it becomes obsolete in terms of its concepts. But implementation of real products demands phasing and quantizing. The obsolescence of an implementation must be measured against other existing implementations, not against unrealized concepts. The challenge and the mission are to find real solutions to real problems on actual schedules with available resources. I hope that helps you feel better. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@hidden.email Verbogeny is one of the pleasurettes of a creatific thinkerizer. --Peter da Silva