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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:42 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@hidden.email> wrote: > Mike S., On 17/09/2012 22:05: > > > > I'll rephrase: What is roughly the logical form of, and what does the > > if-clause modify in, "We both know where the Lojban list is if we > > want to talk about Lojban's specification." > > I think the logical form is simply "All cases in which we want to talk > about Lojban's specification are cases in which we know where the Lojban > list is". > > la fa [we want to talk about Lojban's specification] va [we know where > Lojban list is] tta "va fa", right? > [I can't remember what Jorge had suggested for tt- "all"] "gnmake" for "A are all of/consists of E", but I'm not sure it works here as a single place "all" that stands on v-. With one argument "gnm-" just means "is a group". > BTW, I would replace v- by nuk-, to fee up v- & make the kinship with nu > apparent. I thought about that too! But my idea was "nik". Since v- is ni/nu, it seems more intuitive to me to associate it with ni. I was also thinking of jek- for g-, what do you think? co ma'a xrxe