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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com> wrote: > > For the vocative, I am just curious why simply "ca", or maybe a new > particle "co" which is available, couldn't do the job in cooperation with > other parts of the syntax. I don't think we need the ability to bind > arbitrary variables to anything referring to "you/me"; that's what "e'e/a'a" > is reserved for. I suppose so. > (As a side note, how exactly does "ca" differ from "ci"?) ca marks its complement as being true by virtue of being uttered, ci marks its complement as being claimed by the speaker: ci F := ca la fa F xsra'aka "ci" is probably the default illocutionary force of utterances without an explicit illocutionary operator. > ca [le'e rslfe'e] me'e ndi > VOC you are And > hereby, you are And > > ca [la'a mslfa'a] ma'a mke > VOC I am Mike. > hereby, I am Mike. Maybe. Does a vocative just identify the addressee, or is it also supposed to call their attention? > If that's not good enough, I would guess "co" = "I hereby make the > [possibly new] identification such that" would work. I think the vocative > is worth this short form. A lot of languages get by with null. > > co me'e ndi! And! > > co prne'e! Hey people! > > co mlte'e! Hey cat! > > co ge'e me'e ndi me'e xrxe. O And and Jorge. That's is the one that made me go with the k version. > coke'e could stand for "co rslfe'e" if deemed desirable. I actually see > no problem with "co sme'e" though. > > coke'e! = co sme'e! You! I'd rather not have cV forms without formula complements. If we wanted something like that I would go with "woke'e", or just "we'e". > Maybe "co prne'e" is more polite. Also possible: > > co tze'e! You there! (tz < Lojban -taz- < Lojban ta) > > co sma'a. > I'm here. / Present. > > co ma'a mke > I'm Mike If "co" is used to call the attention of the addressee, then it doesn't seem to make much sense to use it to sign a message. co F := ca je F ba'a jnde'e Hereby F and I call your attention. Then "co me'e mke" = "Hereby you are Mike and I call your attention". [ca?] ma'a xrxe