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Re: [engelang] Xorban: Semantics of "l-" (and "s-" and "r-")



there is no explanation of the "zero article" in Latin, etc. for the simple reason that there is no zero article in Latin, etc.  The effects English achieves with the contrasts between "a(n)" and "the" and bare plurals. is achieved in Latin, etc. by other means.  Or the languages do without them.

Putting formalism first is fine, but then one should not be surprised if one finds that what one thought was doing one thing turns out not to do it (for all the "formalism first", the workers typically have some end results in mind and are striving to make the formalism for that -- as is clearly the case here).  r <=> l <=> s is a nice piece of  formalism, but it is unlikely that r, s and l are going to turn out to be the universal, particular, and selectional quantifiers you started out to formalize.  (And, of course, to make the idea even vaguely plausible, one has to move out of the formalism into the interpretation, the constantly shifting universes).



From: Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com>
To: engelang@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [engelang] Xorban: Semantics of "l-" (and "s-" and "r-")

 

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 11:21 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@hidden.email> wrote: 
Not if you're going to build on it, as using l seems to do.  In the last thirty years or so, no meaningful explanation of what is now [[R]], or something in it's role, has been forthcoming.   laRa just projects a bunch of Rs into all the prescribed places.

There are no meaningful explanations of the zero-articles of Russian, Japanese, or Latin either, and yet somehow these languages seem to work fine.  What is occurring on this thread is something that I have not seen in reviewing the thirty years of archives of the "bowl-of-oatmeal mode of discourse" over "lo":  A proposal that actually attempts to put formalism first.  I say:

la Ra <=> sa [[R]]a <=> ra [[R]]a

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