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Jorge Llamb�as scripsit: > Question from a non-native speaker: Can't you say "I told them not to > make so much noise, for I was trying to read." It sounds pretty 19th-century to me, but not outright ungrammatical. This use of "for" is mostly confined to formal written registers anyway. -- John Cowan cowan@hidden.email http://ccil.org/~cowan Big as a house, much bigger than a house, it looked to [Sam], a grey-clad moving hill. Fear and wonder, maybe, enlarged him in the hobbit's eyes, but the Mumak of Harad was indeed a beast of vast bulk, and the like of him does not walk now in Middle-earth; his kin that live still in latter days are but memories of his girth and his majesty. --"Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit"