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Re: [engelang] Xorban Development

I'm surprised how easily a consensus forms -- if not about our ideal loglang then at least about something that'd be a big improvement on Lojban.

Something to think about next, then: the equivalents of Lojban {ce'u} and {makau}.

BTW, you mentioned illocutionary operators. You could borrow the following idea from Livagian. Take the predicate 'command', for example: "X commands Y to make Z the case", a 3-place predicate, e.g. _cmndakeki_. Saturate certain arguments with "me" and "you", and define an illocutionary operator "I hereby command you to make Z the case", _cmnda_. Derive illocutionary operators from any predicate by removing the arguments saturated by "you" and "me" and using the same stem with a reduced arity.

--And.

Jorge Llamb�as, On 24/08/2012 02:13:

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:28 PM, And Rosta<and.rosta@hidden.email>  wrote:


Sure. I'd just meant that V'a would be an abbreviatory device, like the
argument forms for "me" and "you", which also abbreviate predicates.


OK. Let's introduce the predicates "mn" "x1 is/are among x2" (sort of
like Lojban "me") and "csn" from "casnu". Then we have so far:

a'a implicitly bound by la'a mslfa'a
e'e implicitly bound by le'e rslfe'e
e'u implicitly bound by le'u prne'u
o'e implicitly bound by lo'e smo'e
a'e implicitly bound by la'e je mna'aka'e mne'eka'e
V'i implicitly bound by lV'i csna'ekV'i

(I changed V'a to V'i because a'a was already taken.)


Yes, but I was also thinking of using -z- as a kind of Lojban zei, for
more explicit compounding. In that case "z" could be avoided, though
not prohibited, in ordinary roots.


I don't think the extra length (one consonant's worth) is worth it. Indeed
*not* having unambiguous decomposition of compounds would be a good thing,
because unambiguous decomposition creates the illusion that compounds have
fully compositional meaning, when of course compounds with fully
compositional meaning are completely pointless.


All right, no -z- for now then.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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