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On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:35 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@hidden.email> wrote: > > Something to think about next, then: the equivalents of Lojban {ce'u} and > {makau}. I'll tackle the illocutionaries which seem easier first: > BTW, you mentioned illocutionary operators. You could borrow the following > idea from Livagian. Take the predicate 'command', for example: "X commands Y > to make Z the case", a 3-place predicate, e.g. _cmndakeki_. Saturate certain > arguments with "me" and "you", and define an illocutionary operator "I > hereby command you to make Z the case", _cmnda_. Derive illocutionary > operators from any predicate by removing the arguments saturated by "you" > and "me" and using the same stem with a reduced arity. Yes, I was thinking along those lines, but if I'm not mistaken illocutionary operators are not like ordinary unary operators that can be combined with other operators. Illocutionary operators act on a sentence and the result can't be acted on again. I think we can probably base everything on the "hereby" operator. Let's say that's "ca". We first need to expand the grammar to: utterance:= illocutionary-operator? sentence sentence := predicate | operator sentence operator := unary-operator | binary-operator binary-operator:= SV('V)* sentence unary-operator := NV('V)* illocutionary-operator := cV('V)* predicate := CCC*V('V)*(KV('V)*)* V := a | e | i | o | u C:= b | c | d | f | g | j | k | l | m | n | p | r | s | t | v | x | z S:= l | m | r | s | d | j | ... N:= n | ... K:= k | f | g | ... "ca" will turn any sentence into a "hereby" sentence, and then we can have different operators (ce, ci, ... ca'a, etc) defined for frequent cases. Let's say we start with "I hereby command you to go", that would be: ca la klme'efa mnda'ake'eka Hereby: the event in which you go: I command you to bring it about. So we could define "ce" as: ce <predicate> = ca la <predicate>fa mnda'ake'eka And then "Go!" is just "ce klme'e". I have to think about how to generalize that definition from a single predicate to any sentence, but I have to run now. Ideas welcome. mu'o mi'e xorxes