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on 2/27/04 9:22 PM, Rex May - Baloo at rmay@hidden.email wrote: > on 2/27/04 7:01 PM, HandyDad at lsulky@hidden.email wrote: > >> --- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, "Rex May" <rmay@m...> wrote: >>> --- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, "HandyDad" <lsulky@r...> wrote: >>>> --- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, Rex May - Baloo <rmay@m...> >>> >> >> --SNIP-- >>> >>> Very glad to hear it! Now, the only remaining question about >>> connectives is, do we like the "xe" bound particle, or can we just >> go >>> ahead with "bu" compounds? >>> >>> noa xeva > buva >>> anoi vaxe > vabu >>> onoi fixe > fibu >>> >>> Since we've made these nice and terse, somehow the "bu" form seems >>> more okay. Somehow. >> >> Agree. >>> >>> BTW, I just found a nice website that can help us out here: >>> http://www.loglan.org/Sanpa/crib-notes.html >>> >>> I'm not going to copy it here, but we can look at it and prepare >> our >>> own truth table. >>> >>> And, we need a version of ce, ca, co, cu noca, for connecting >>> _within_ predicates, as the Loglanists put it. >> >>> Since it's a small- >>> scope connective, so to speak, it can take the forms: >>> pikay, piva, pifi, piseya, bupiva, pivabu, pifibu. >>> Rare usages, I expect, except for pikay. >> >> If we follow the Loglan model of each predicate modifying the next, >> then we do need something like this, and the "pi-" series is a nice >> way to do it. However, in my experience, multiple adjectives in >> natural languages usually apply individually to the noun: 'wild green >> cockatoo' means a cockatoo that is wild and green, not wildly green. > > Yes, I think you're right. OTOH, if you look at a random chunk of any > language, I'll bet that more than one modifier in front of a noun is pretty > rare. But the most likely thing would be, as you say, a big red dog sort > of thing. Pikay should probably be abbreviated somehow. Probably "pay" is > the best idea. >> >> This suggests that if we follow the Loglan model, then the intra- >> predicate connector will be present more often than not, so it should >> be very short. If we follow the English-language approach, then we >> need a mechanism for _joining_ the modifiers that otherwise would >> each individually modify the noun. > > That's intriguing, but I agree with below. > >> >> Following the Loglan model has one big advantage: it's been pretty >> thoroughly thought out. So I suggest that the "pi-" series stand, but >> that we have a much shorter synonym for "pikay", which, as you note, >> is likely to be frequent used. > > Yes, the already thought out part convinces me more than anything. > > To da pikay hoq de xyen. or To da pay hoq de xyen. (any connector will > make the "de" unnecessary between modifiers, I just realized) Urk. Make those 'da' into 'ga' (I was thinking Mandarin) -- Rex F. May (Baloo) Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/book-GesundheitDummy.htm