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The more I think about it, the better I like your notion of using a kay construction rather than a vo construction, all things being equal. Go pa sta cwaq kay dorm. Da kun go kay ja seldom. But we have to maybe use vo when the vo-clause _modifies_ the main verb: Go zu krayon kay dra hwar. I guess we wouldn't have to, because human insight says that we're using the pencil to do the drawing, but to be unambiguous, we'd go with vo Go vo zu krayon dra hwar. I draw a picture by means of a pencil. or Go vo dra hwar zu krayon. I use a pencil for the purpose of drawing a picture. Of course, all this is colloquial ceqli anyway. Disambiguated versions: Go pa sta ta cwaq beta kay dorm. Da kun go kay ja to seldom. Go zu ta krayon beta kay dra ta hwar beta. etc. -- Rex F. May (Baloo) Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/book-GesundheitDummy.htm