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--- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, Rex May - Baloo <rmay@m...> wrote: > on 2/21/04 3:05 PM, HandyDad at lsulky@r... wrote: > --SNIP-- > > On a related note, I thought this morning that maybe some verbs have > > a second indirect object: the source or origin. > > > > S returns D to I1 from I2. > > Yes, but by and large we need a preposition here. I mean, this is like what > you were saying about loglan. Yes, you're right. :-} --SNIP-- > > Hm. I think we need to -not- think in terms of marking places with specific > markers, but instead use preposition/case markers. I find myself wanting a separate case marker when the prepositions that might otherwise mark the case are too numerous and play too many other roles. But for this 'I2' case, there are few prepositions that could be used -- 'from' is the only one that I can think of -- and they generally cannot be used in any other role. Furthermore, it's a relatively rare role. So we'll have a word for 'from' that pretty much puts paid to the whole issue. Is it a preposition? Yeah. Is it a case marker? Yeah. --SNIP-- > Now, we can have a small set of things that are pure prepositions, which I'm > beginning to think we need. > > ko - to, motion towards/to. > do - at the time of ( I think it can serve both as tense marker and > preposition. The Loglan equivalent does) > ci - at (same as 'do') > saw - from > va - sign of direct object > > Those are the basics. All others are verb/prepostions, which can be made > into undisputable prepositions with 'vo' prefix. > > Will that do it? For now it will! If it isn't complete, it can't be far from it. The main thing is that it's a start and it's backed by a design philosophy, so we'll know if/when it's necessary to add more. This is great. Oh, but I just thought of one more. :-) A marker for the subject. Rarely, rarely used, but it gives us the option to invert word order. It doesn't have to be a valuable short word. Or it could be somewhat built-in to the "t-" series of short words (though maybe we don't want to overload them with too many syntactic roles). Side note: We have "kyu" to mark a question. Do we have a word that marks the beginning of a statement? Or, alternatively, the ending? --Krawn