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on 2/27/04 7:01 PM, HandyDad at lsulky@hidden.email wrote: > --- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, "Rex May" <rmay@m...> wrote: >> --- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, "HandyDad" <lsulky@r...> wrote: >>> --- In ceqli@yahoogroups.com, Rex May - Baloo <rmay@m...> >> > > --SNIP-- >> >> Very glad to hear it! Now, the only remaining question about >> connectives is, do we like the "xe" bound particle, or can we just > go >> ahead with "bu" compounds? >> >> noa xeva > buva >> anoi vaxe > vabu >> onoi fixe > fibu >> >> Since we've made these nice and terse, somehow the "bu" form seems >> more okay. Somehow. > > Agree. >> >> BTW, I just found a nice website that can help us out here: >> http://www.loglan.org/Sanpa/crib-notes.html >> >> I'm not going to copy it here, but we can look at it and prepare > our >> own truth table. >> >> And, we need a version of ce, ca, co, cu noca, for connecting >> _within_ predicates, as the Loglanists put it. > >> Since it's a small- >> scope connective, so to speak, it can take the forms: >> pikay, piva, pifi, piseya, bupiva, pivabu, pifibu. >> Rare usages, I expect, except for pikay. > > If we follow the Loglan model of each predicate modifying the next, > then we do need something like this, and the "pi-" series is a nice > way to do it. However, in my experience, multiple adjectives in > natural languages usually apply individually to the noun: 'wild green > cockatoo' means a cockatoo that is wild and green, not wildly green. Yes, I think you're right. OTOH, if you look at a random chunk of any language, I'll bet that more than one modifier in front of a noun is pretty rare. But the most likely thing would be, as you say, a big red dog sort of thing. Pikay should probably be abbreviated somehow. Probably "pay" is the best idea. > > This suggests that if we follow the Loglan model, then the intra- > predicate connector will be present more often than not, so it should > be very short. If we follow the English-language approach, then we > need a mechanism for _joining_ the modifiers that otherwise would > each individually modify the noun. That's intriguing, but I agree with below. > > Following the Loglan model has one big advantage: it's been pretty > thoroughly thought out. So I suggest that the "pi-" series stand, but > that we have a much shorter synonym for "pikay", which, as you note, > is likely to be frequent used. Yes, the already thought out part convinces me more than anything. To da pikay hoq de xyen. or To da pay hoq de xyen. (any connector will make the "de" unnecessary between modifiers, I just realized) -- Rex F. May (Baloo) Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/book-GesundheitDummy.htm