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Verb places



Is it possible to summarize the mechanisms for answering questions 
about verbs; in other words, marking the verb's places?

QUESTION 1: What is the action? MECHANISM: Tense marker, or non-tense-
specific verb marker.

QUESTION 2: Who or what acts? MECHANISM: Position before verb.

QUESTION 3: Who or what is acted upon? MECHANISM: Position after 
verb, plus marker separating verb from object phrase (such as noun 
phrase marker).

QUESTION 4: What is the target of the action? MECHANISM: Indirect 
object marker.

QUESTION 5: Where is action performed? MECHANISM: Verb-as-preposition.

So far, so good. Now I get fuzzy:

QUESTION 6: Why is action performed? MECHANISM: Functional that marks 
a phrase that describes the purpose?

QUESTION 7: When is action performed? MECHANISM: Time modifier? Tense 
marker?

QUESTION 8: How is action performed? MECHANISM: Verb modifier?

Could these latter three all be handled with verbs-as-prepositions, 
like #5?

On a related note, I thought this morning that maybe some verbs have 
a second indirect object: the source or origin. 

S returns D to I1 from I2.

Any verb represents a transaction...a change of state. This change of 
state has an agent (or Subject); a focus (or Direct object); a 
patient (or Indirect object); and perhaps an origin? The origin is 
usually the same as the subject, but not always.

'I think a thought to myself from me.'

We tend to think of 'think' as a 2-place, or intransitive, verb.
It's easy to leave out all the places except the subject, 'I'.

'I tell the truth to you from me.'

We think of 'tell' as a 3-placer, figuring that the origin 'me' is 
always the same as the subject 'I'.

'I pass the salt to Ma from Pa.'

Shouldn't 'pass' be considered a 4-place verb? How about 'return'? If 
so, do we need one more marker for the origin role?

--Krawn