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on 4/24/02 4:08 PM, uaxuctum at uaxuctum@hidden.email wrote: >> Kevin, what's your dialect? I'm South Midlands (Terre Haute, > Indiana), and >> my 'aw' is definitly not /a/, that is to say, the vowel in law, aw, > claw is >> different from the first vowel of 'father', and is just about the > same as >> the vowel in 'fall,' 'all.' (I'm sure this latter fact is weirdly >> dialectal). > > Well, you all know I'm not a native English speaker, > but AFAIK from what I've learned and been taught, the > vowel in 'law' [lO:] is supposed to be the same as the > one in 'fall' [fO:l]--and at least that's what RP > pronounciation dictionaries say. So certainly that's > not a weird dialectal fact, but precisely the fact taught > to foreigners as the standard way of pronouncing it. > What I've found 'weird' is to know that in some > American dialects they pronounce the vowel in 'claw' > as [kla] and make a difference with the vowel in > 'or', which in RP sounds the same (both as [O:]). It's a pleasant surprise to learn that at least one aspect of my dialect is standard. I remember that the Kennedys say BAHstun. I presume the aw as /a/ is at least a New England thing. And your advocacy of the glottal stop is all the more admirable inasmuch as I seem to remember that the glottal stop is extremely rare or even nonexistent in Spanish. -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/