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On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:23:31PM -0600, Rex May - Baloo wrote: > Good. And 3 places are enough to be useful but few enough to keep things > simple. Maybe you're right about another pinvor for terminations. Perhaps > by. What do we do when we want a combining form for be? I think we will, > for -ee things. I mean, as in Go kom. Da be kom. To kom is 'eater' > so how to make form 'the eaten'.? Loglan turns 'nu' into 'nur' Or do we > need a special form? Can 'the eaten' just be 'to bekom'? Or does that blur > the distinction between pinvor and grovor? Come to think of it, it doesn't > need to be something on the end. There could be a CV prefix that makes a > pinvor into a grovor. Lojban turns "se" into "sel" and "te" into "ter". "to bekom" would indeed mean "the eaten", but sometimes you need to switch places within a compound, so "be" should have a combining form. But by the pattern from before, that could be "beq". "beqkom" would mean the same as "bekom", but "beqkom" could be part of a larger compound. I'm trying to figure out if -q will seem less ugly to me with time. I can see the reason for wanting to use -r. Or -l, which I think would conflict with fewer words. Or maybe we'll find that Ceqli can't be systematic about everything, and resort to the Lojban approach of adding whatever letter is available. > > The series in Lojban is se, te, ve, xe. We only need two. I suggest: > > be, ge. > > Sounds good to me. Incidentally, I thought of "ge" when I was still thinking in terms of plosives. Now that I've realized "ce" is available, I find it more pleasing, and it keeps the idea of the alphabetical sequence even though there's only two of them. But "ge" would still work. > > To jump directly to a place, Lojban has fa, fe, fi, fo, fu. This could > > be adopted directly as fa, fe, fi. > > This you'll have to explain or I'll have to look up. I'm not sure what jump > directly means here. Here's an example: Lojban "djuno" is "x1 knows fact x2 about x3 by epistemology x4". So to say "I know about the news", for example, you could say "mi djuno fi le nuzba", because fi means that the next argument goes in the 3rd place of the predicate. -- Rob Speer