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On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 10:31:34PM -0600, Rex May - Baloo wrote: > This needs a lot of thinking about. Now, in Loglan, po sucmi, 'act of > swimming' can apparently continue as a predicate, while a le or lo > nominalizes the whole thing. I can't think what the predicate form means, > especially. But I'd like to make sure it's not useful before it's tossed. po sucmi (nu limna) means "is an act of swimming". If in Lojban you want to say "That is an act of swimming" (or "that is the act of swimming"; it seems that the distinctions between articles don't mean a whole lot when applied to events and facts) you would say "ta nu limna". But if you had to use "lenu", you could say "ta me lenu limna". (In Ceqli, perhaps "tca bi kei suim".) If "lenu" becomes "kei", just realize that it will pop up where "que" never would. "To swim is good" would be "lenu limna cu xamgu" in Lojban, and perhaps "kei suim da bon" in Ceqli. Incidentally, in Lojbanized Ceqli, re-using "da" as a separator that precedes the predicate just won't work. It would take up another place in the place structure. I suggest "du", inspired by Lojban "cu" and mimicing English "do". This steps on the number 2, but all the numbers will have to be redone anyway. -- Rob Speer