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on 4/21/02 7:50 PM, Rob Speer at rob@hidden.email wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 06:06:50PM -0600, Rex May - Baloo wrote: >> Me talking now. I like ke, because it is very handy and recalls the >> various Romance language que's. The way we're using ke seems to be the way >> Loglan uses lepo. Should we look into aping the Loglan system here? > > I like the idea of "ke", though perhaps for cognate value it should be > "kei". But lepo (lenu in Lojban) is just one possible abstraction. > > I don't know what the Loglan words were, but in Lojban the main > abstractions are: > > nu - event/state that... > du'u - fact that... > ka - property of... > ni - amount of... > jei - truth value of... > > (It has been established that ka and du'u are equivalent except that ka > implies an empty slot that makes it a property. While a particular > person's manhood is "lenu nanmu" and the fact that he is a man is > "ledu'u nanmu", the property of manhood - the fact that X is a man - is > "leka nanmu".) > > I see "que" as meaning "ledu'u" more than "lenu". Should there be other > words for the other le+abstractor combinations? (This would make sense, > because the article (le) really doesn't convey anything.) This needs a lot of thinking about. Now, in Loglan, po sucmi, 'act of swimming' can apparently continue as a predicate, while a le or lo nominalizes the whole thing. I can't think what the predicate form means, especially. But I'd like to make sure it's not useful before it's tossed. -- >PLEASE NOTE MY NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: rmay@hidden.email > Rex F. May (Baloo) > Daily cartoon at: http://www.cnsnews.com/cartoon/baloo.asp > Buy my book at: http://www.kiva.net/~jonabook/gdummy.htm > Language site at: http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/Uploadexp.htm >Discuss my auxiliary language at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/txeqli/