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Here's a list of the predicates which would have to be changed if the pi(n)vor system were C(C)V(V), and suggestions for what to change them to. It seems to me that the words which really should be short wouldn't suffer from being changed slightly, and many of these words are unnecessary or redundant. To come up with some of these, I used a modified version of the algorithm that created the Lojban words from the source languages Chinese, English, Spanish, Hindi, Russian, and Arabic. I also considered the Lojban words themselves, since they should reflect indirectly those source languages. CV: ba (bad) -> bal (This is good - I think "ba" should be the future particle, partly because it's like that in Lojban, and partly because I like how it sounds like Spanish "va".) ga (large) -> gra (or gran) gu (group) -> gru ho (become) -> biho (mix of English "become", Hindi "ho", Lojban "binxo") pe (person) -> per pi (small) -> pin vi (vehicle) -> vim Are the 7 words above really worth working around? CVV: bua (Buddha) -> buha bwa (drink) -> driq dei (day) -> den (The Lojban etymology file has "dyen" for Russian "day") dia (light time) -> soltaim (compound; "sol" is currently listed as "soldier" but would be much more appropriate as "sun") [d]ja (go): ven ("go" is the same as "come" using place structures) gai (cover) -> gahi hai (high) -> gal (from Lojban) hau (rightly): just use a word for "proper" kau (cause) -> agentive: gan (from Lojban) [change Ceqli "gan" to "gana"] (this is the one that shows up most in compounds) describing an event: karin (derived from source languages the same way as Lojban; this also happens to be an anagram of Lojban "rinka") pau (foot) -> pamu pya (new) -> cino (Chinese "cin", Lojban "cnino") vei (west) -> prar (Hindi) CCV: [d]ju (tool) -> be ploy sta (located) -> stal stu (sit) -> sen (Spanish) stei (remain, stay, still) -> stel CCVV: [d]jai (place): be stal [d]joi (enjoy): feli (same place structure) spei (outer space): spehi (doesn't need to be one syllable) -- Rob Speer