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Rex May - Baloo wrote: > > on 2/27/02 1:31 PM, Mike Wright at darwin@hidden.email wrote: > > > > > Since all Txeqli words are loan words, I see no reason not to make it > > a principle that they should be forced to fit the Txeqli phonology, > > including word-internal syllable stress patterns, whatever those are > > designed to be. So, if the native stress pattern for a three-syllable > > word is designed to be medium-light-heavy, then <banana> should be > > /"ba na 'na/, not /"ba 'na na/, following English /"b@ 'n& n@/. > > Good thing you're here. This sort of thing almost _never_ comes up with > artificial languages. I'd say this. Within morphs, penultimate accent. > Within compounds...this gets more complicated. You can't change the stress > pattern of a morph because it's in a compound. You mean the way we do it in English? And Chinese languages like Mandarin and Hokkien? Why not? > Banaa ba na' na > Banana bawn ba na' na bawm' > but > Bananabawn ba na' na bawm" > > With the double quote meaning secondary stress. This is how English seems > to work, and I think it's appropriate for Ceqli. Agree? What about the following? gasulgater daryakinar pampamzo popyatertail silamkreipe And what how do you define a syllable? Is <koijai> four syllables, as it would be in Japanese? Would you break up <karalan>, <karaqan>, and <karaman> the same way? If so, how? If not, why not? Frankly, it takes a lot of staring for me to figure out which groups of syllables belong together in a morpheme, even though I understand the rule. I find it odd that stress should involve knowing what is and what is not a morpheme. > BTW, Logan is terrible this way (or when I last looked). It actually > allowed the same word to be stressed in different places. -- Mike Wright http://www.CoastalFog.net _______________________________________________________ "When they wired us humans up, they really should have labeled the wires--don't you think?" -- Ed