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Isaac Penzev wrote:
Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:Isaac Penzev wrote:And I'm still hesitating about too many things in Kuman, esp. in the verb morphology. I'm also considering to add an extra letter"zhewith descender" to denote palatalized /Z;/ < CT */j-/.*Is* there really an /Z/ in native Turkish vocabulary?I don't think so. But there will be tons of /Z/ in Slavic loans.
Yes, I didn't think of that!
What about writing /Z;/ as жь,
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since a minority language hardly can afford special fonts etc.? NB even in OTL most fonts don't contain special characters like Җҗ!Well, I *really* think about Kumans as guys from *our* universe... Is it because they live in my native lands? OTL provides computer fonts with Җ since Autumn 2002. This is the time Karsakov spelling could have appeared. Or would he use a fake substitute, smth like ЖJ / жj digraph?
Then rather Jj by itself. I think the problem is that the shape җ suggests /dZ/ to me. IMHO ӝ would more nicely suggest [Z;] or [z\].
Are you aware of the Karai language, which has replaced vowel harmony with consonant/palatalization harmony?That is exactly what I meant by /ö/ > /jo/ and /ü/ > /ju/ shift. I just didn't know the term. I've read some materials about Karaim lang in our FL library. I looks like the authors of this info may be confused by spelling. Indeed, in some Karaim publications, as well as in standard Karachay-Balkar and Kumyk orthography ё and ю denote /2/ and /y/ respectively, while the other use ö and ÿ. And, besides, Karaim has at least three dialects that are very different. Crimean Karaim is *verrry* close to Qırım Tatar (Southern dialects), and Trakai Karaim and Halician Karaim are totally different from the former. E.g. they completely lost front rounded vowels: /2/ > /E/, /y/ > /i/.
I first read about it in Comrie's "Languages of the Soviet Union".
He's not likely to mess up things, but his sources may have done.
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