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--- Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@hidden.email> wrote: > On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 04:38 PM, Adam Walker > wrote: > > --- Isaac Penzev <isaacp@hidden.email> wrote: > >> Adam Walker wrote: > >>> I think more than > >>> anything it's the fact that I'm unsure what the > >>> difference between sin and samekh was/is and > >> whether > >>> it would be important to C-a. > >> [skip] > >>> Shin is always borrowed as |x| /S/. Samekh is > >>> borrowed as |s| /s/. And tsadek is borrowed as > >> |z| > >>> /z/. It's sin I'm unsure of. > >> > >> From what we know of some misspellings in > Mishnah, > >> at least as early as > >> in the 2nd c. AD both sin and samekh were > pronounced > >> the same: [s]. > >> -- Yitzik > > > > Any ideas how they were pronounced about 600 years > > earlier? The Punic speakers moved into North > Africa > > long before the 2nd c. and by 2nd. c. (in my > timeline) > > Carthage is already speaking North African Vulgar > > Latin. > > Adam > > > If i remember correctly, in Phoenician (of which > Punic is a > descendent/dialect), |sin| (originally a > Lateral-/s/) was written with > the same letter as |shin| /S/, just like in Hebrew. > However, it's > unclear whether that means that they were both > pronounced /S/ or > whether, like in Hebrew, /K/ (i think that's the > correct symbol) and > /S/ were just written with the same letter but > pronounced differently. > Thanks Steg. Armed with this info, I choose to merge sin with shin and thus the Carrajena word for "sheet of cloth" is now _xadi_. I hope C-a cloth's of better worksmanship than the name would imply! Adam ===== Indjindrud edjuebu ul Josias ad ul Jeconias ed ils sus frarris in il deporrachuni in al Baviluña, ed debostu il deporrachuni in al Baviluña, indjindrud ul Jeconias ad ul Salatil. Indjindrud edjuebu ul Salatiel ad ul Zorubaviu. Indjindrud edjuebu ul Zorobaviu ad ul Abiud. Indjindrud edjuebu ul Abiud ad ul Eliacim. Indjindrud edjuebu ul Eliacim ad ul Azor. Machu 1:11-13