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Thanks a lot for this. I’m not sure if either fits. In Vèneto <x> is used for [z]. If I find something I’ll post it. I ask because Vegliot also has <frajur> cognate of or loan from Vèneto <frajar>. Thanks again, Dan _____ From: BPJ Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:37 AM “2011-05-13 12:18, Daniel Prohaska skrev: > Hi there, > > Does anyone know the etymology of the Vèneto words<frajar> > ‘waste, squander’, and<fraja> ‘revelry, debauchery, > indulgence’? Thanks, any lead would help. I thought perhaps > this could be a German loan<freuen>? > > Dan > (Bcc'd to Dan's address for the case that Yahoo squanders the diacritics! :-) What about O.Fr. _fraier_ > N.Fr. _défrayer_ < FRACTUM "zerbrochen"? That's the only thing remotely suitable I can find in the relevant range in Meyer-Lübke. Kind of a long shot, though... There is a FRAGIUM "Bruch" > "Fehlgeburt, Frucht die nicht reift, abortieren" which seems an even longer shot. There is also Frankish _frek_ "munter" but all reflexes listed have /k/; I canSeems imagine funny things happen to a Longobardic cognate though: *frexa > *freha > *frea > freja This is nearly Aulus Gellius etymology though, since I've no real idea what northern Italian varieties make of -/x/-. Frankish/Longobardic _fraid_ "Haß" is also a stretch. It also seems the relevant varieties would preserve /d/ here. What would be the normal source of /ai/ and/or the normal reflex of -ACA/-AGA in this variety? Sorry I and M-L can't be of more help here! /bpj” [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]