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On 07/02/07, Peter Collier <petecollier@hidden.email> wrote:
I want to extrapolate some modern names from their Latin origins, but i have no idea which vowels, if any, were long. This is rater critical, as my long vowels tend to change comstantly, wheras the short vowels are pretty much unaffected. could anyone confirm any long vowels for: CAROLVS, IOSEPHVS, FRITHVNANTVS (Ferdinand!), IACOBVS, PETRVS, IOHANNES, MARCVS, MATTHAEVS or GEORGIVS (was the latter actually a latin name, or perhaps a later coinage?)
As the Spanish reflex of GEORGIVS is Jorge, not *Juerge, I'd assume that the /o/ was long. I'd suggest short vowels for the others, however. I'd also go so far as to suggest the following VL forms: IOSEPHVS > *josépu IACOBVS > *jáko(bu/mu) PETRVS > *pÉtru IOHANNES > *jo(w/v)ánes (c.f. Italian "Giovanni", with final -i < -es) MARCVS > *márku MATTHAEVS > *matÉu (possibly? I'm not so sure about this one as Italian has /mat"te.o/, but AE would normally produce /E/) GEORGIVS > *jórgju > And if anyone is familiar with late C12 italian, how
would "Francesco" have been pronounced then? Any different from the modern /frantSesko/?
C12 Tuscan would have /fran"tSesko/, just like today. Dan PS. Hi, I'm back.