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--- Carl Edlund Anderson <cea@hidden.email> wrote: > On 06/02/2007 00:21, Henrik Theiling wrote: > > Padraic Brown writes: > >>... > >> A similar phenomenon can be heard in > >> Spanish, where -s and even -s- are lost, > usually > >> becoming H. So you might hear "loh barrioh". > I > >> recall it being common in PR and maybe > Cuba(?). > > > > And even Tenerife. I know a Spanish girl > from there who pronounced it > > that way. > > I hear it in a lot of Colombian Spanish, > especially on the coast. The > higher register dialects (like, among educated > speakers in Bogota) > normally maintain the -s, but I suspect it > starts to slip when the let > their guard down :) But my understanding is > that this loss of -s and > -s- is widespread in many non-Peninsular > Spanish dialects. Could be! I saw a good written example recently, where the -s had disappeared entirely, leaving 1pl forms in -amo. The text also exhibited b/v confusion (estube). > Turning back to Latin .... I'm sure I've > sometimes read things about > "loss of final -s" in popular Latin, and I've > occasionally believed it, > but I'm not really sure. This might be of interest: <http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_histromlit_1_1.htm> Note especially: "There is little to remark about the other letters, except that S, N, and M became very weak when final and were often entirely lost. S was rehabilitated in the literary dialect in the time of Cicero, who speaks of the omission to reckon it as "subrusticum"; but final M is always elided before a vowel." Had -s note been "rehabilitated" in the literary language, one wonders what the results could be in modern times... > I have read that the Italian masc. pl. -i is > not necessarily a survival > of the 2nd declension nom.pl., but could rather > be the result of loss of > final -s from the acc.pl., perhaps something > like -os > -oh > -oi > -i? Honestly, that doesn't sound very likely. But I could be wrong! > Carl Padraic Camifi, Marusi, teterani, tester fuferios asteros; tamenio vem Persaecion empuriase ed ec pasem emduriase! --Pomperios Perfurios. -- Ill Bethisad -- <http://www.bethisad.com> Come visit The World! -- <http://www.geocities.com/hawessos/> .