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Re: [romconlang] My Romlang #3



Henrik Theiling skrev:
Hi!

Benct Philip Jonsson <melroch@hidden.email> writes:
Some very sketchy stuff on my Romlang #3 is at <http://wiki.frath.net/User:Melroch/Romlang_3_sketch>

In particular I wonder if the tables are intelligible?

Almost. :-)

OK, I'm working on them -- in particular by edding
numbered and linked notes to replace/supplement the
"random notes".  Anywhay, *what* is it that is
confusing?  After all that is what I want to know!


However, /ks/ > /sk/ is great!

And I forgat to include it in the table.  Thanks for
reminding me!


I am so unsatisfied with /re:ks/ and /vi:ksi:/ in Latin -- it just does not derive well into Þrjótrunn. In the latter case, I even use the supine stem in the preterite (former perfect), so 'I lived' is
'já ýkti'.  With a metathesis, the perfect stem would very nicely
become 'já ýski' /jau): i:scI/!

May I steal it? :-)

Að sjálvsagðu!  It actually happened at least in
some words in real VL.  Here is what Grandgent has
to say about X (minus references to works published
before and around 1900! :-)  See especially the
last paragraph:

# _X_ stood for _ks_: After a consonant _ks_ early
# tended to become _s_: Plautus uses _mers_ for
# _merx_; Caper, _"cals_ dicendum, ubi materia est,
# per _s_,"
#
# _By the second or third century _ks_ before a
# consonant was reduced to _s_: _sestus_ is common in
# inscriptions (Σέστος); _destera_; dester; _mextum_
# for _maestum_. So _ex- > es-_ in _excutere,
# exponere_, etc.: cf. _extimare_ for _aestimare_.
# Hence sometimes, by analogy, _es-_ for _ex-_ before
# vowels, as in _*essagium_, but not in _exire_.
#
# At about the same time final _ks_ became _s_, except
# in monosyllables : _cojus, cosnjus, milex, pregnax =
# praegnans, subornatris_, etc., in inscriptions (cf.
# _xanto_, etc.); _felis_, fifth century; Appendix
# Probi, "_aries_ non _ariex_," "_locuples_ non
# _locuplex_," "_miles_ non _milex_," "_poples_ non
# _poplex_."
#
# In parts of Italy _ks_ between vowels was
# assimilated into _ss_ by the first century, but this
# was only local: ALESAN[DER]; BISSIT BISIT VISIT =
# _vixit_. {In Gaul} [ks] > [xs], {along with [kt] >
# [xt], perhaps due to Celtic influence}.
#
# There are some examples, in late Latin, of a
# metathesis of _ks_ into _sk_ : _axilla > ascella_;
# _buxus > *buscus_; _vixit_ > VIXCIT (i. e.,
# _viscit_)_.  On the other hand, _Priscilla_ >
# PRIXSILLA. In northern Gaul apparently _sk_
# regularly became _ks_, as in _cresco, nasco_, etc.

I figured that if _sk > ks_ was general in Northern
Gaul then perhaps the reverse was general sòmewhere!

Perhaps R3 belongs to the Þrjótrunn universe? :-)

**Henrik



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/BP 8^)>
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Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se

   "Maybe" is a strange word.  When mum or dad says it
   it means "yes", but when my big brothers say it it
   means "no"!

                           (Philip Jonsson jr, age 7)