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Henrik Theiling skrev:
Hi! Benct Philip Jonsson <melroch@hidden.email> writes:Some very sketchy stuff on my Romlang #3 is at <http://wiki.frath.net/User:Melroch/Romlang_3_sketch>In particular I wonder if the tables are intelligible?Almost. :-)
OK, I'm working on them -- in particular by edding numbered and linked notes to replace/supplement the "random notes". Anywhay, *what* is it that is confusing? After all that is what I want to know!
However, /ks/ > /sk/ is great!
And I forgat to include it in the table. Thanks for reminding me!
I am so unsatisfied with /re:ks/ and /vi:ksi:/ in Latin -- it just does not derive well into Þrjótrunn. In the latter case, I even use the supine stem in the preterite (former perfect), so 'I lived' is'já ýkti'. With a metathesis, the perfect stem would very nicely become 'já ýski' /jau): i:scI/! May I steal it? :-)
Að sjálvsagðu! It actually happened at least in some words in real VL. Here is what Grandgent has to say about X (minus references to works published before and around 1900! :-) See especially the last paragraph: # _X_ stood for _ks_: After a consonant _ks_ early # tended to become _s_: Plautus uses _mers_ for # _merx_; Caper, _"cals_ dicendum, ubi materia est, # per _s_," # # _By the second or third century _ks_ before a # consonant was reduced to _s_: _sestus_ is common in # inscriptions (Σέστος); _destera_; dester; _mextum_ # for _maestum_. So _ex- > es-_ in _excutere, # exponere_, etc.: cf. _extimare_ for _aestimare_. # Hence sometimes, by analogy, _es-_ for _ex-_ before # vowels, as in _*essagium_, but not in _exire_. # # At about the same time final _ks_ became _s_, except # in monosyllables : _cojus, cosnjus, milex, pregnax = # praegnans, subornatris_, etc., in inscriptions (cf. # _xanto_, etc.); _felis_, fifth century; Appendix # Probi, "_aries_ non _ariex_," "_locuples_ non # _locuplex_," "_miles_ non _milex_," "_poples_ non # _poplex_." # # In parts of Italy _ks_ between vowels was # assimilated into _ss_ by the first century, but this # was only local: ALESAN[DER]; BISSIT BISIT VISIT = # _vixit_. {In Gaul} [ks] > [xs], {along with [kt] > # [xt], perhaps due to Celtic influence}. # # There are some examples, in late Latin, of a # metathesis of _ks_ into _sk_ : _axilla > ascella_; # _buxus > *buscus_; _vixit_ > VIXCIT (i. e., # _viscit_)_. On the other hand, _Priscilla_ > # PRIXSILLA. In northern Gaul apparently _sk_ # regularly became _ks_, as in _cresco, nasco_, etc. I figured that if _sk > ks_ was general in Northern Gaul then perhaps the reverse was general sòmewhere! Perhaps R3 belongs to the Þrjótrunn universe? :-)
**Henrik
-- /BP 8^)> -- Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se "Maybe" is a strange word. When mum or dad says it it means "yes", but when my big brothers say it it means "no"! (Philip Jonsson jr, age 7)