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At 06:29 9.2.2004, Jeff Jones wrote:
> > What I meant was, how did they develop historically? Latin > didn't have regular pp's in -utus. Yet Ital. regularly has > -uto for -ere verbs: devere 'must', devuto; cadere 'fall' > caduto, avere 'have', avuto, veduto 'seen' etc.; and unexpected > venire 'come' venuto. Likewise Catalan AFAIK and perhaps > Romanian; and French, though there it's always hard to tell how > "regular" they are-- venir, venu but devoir, dû (?) connaitre > connu etc. (And Provençal?) Latin had a class of verbs with principle parts like -eo:, -e:re, -ui:, -itum, and another smaller subclass like -uo:, -uere, -ui:, -u:tum. The perfect stem caused confusion between the two classes and the participle -itum (which was awkward anyway) was replaced through analogy.
E.g. sequi, sequor, secutus est. Cf. Engl. persecute. Which reminds me that Slvanjec ought to have a class of participles in -yt(a). /BP 8^) -- B.Philip Jonsson mailto:melrochX@hidden.email (delete X) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ A h-ammen ledin i phith! \ \ __ ____ ____ _____________ ____ __ __ __ / / \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /'Aestan ~\_ // /__/ // /__/ / /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine __ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ Gwaedhvenn Angeliniel\ \______/ /a/ /_h-adar Merthol naun ~~~~~~~~~Kuinondil~~~\________/~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ || Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda kuivie aiya! || "A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien)