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> >From: "Mangiat" <mangiat@hidden.email> > >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:26:35 +0200 > > > >Where you meet an initial _s_, as in Italian _sei_, _siete_, Sicilian _si_, > >_siti_, _, Lombard _seet_ [se:t], _sii_ [si:] that's analogy with the _s_ > >in > >the 1st sg. + the regular ending (from Latin -tis). > > > > Interesting. Would I be imposing if I asked for the conjugation in Lombard? Certainly not;-) inf.: vess pres. (I will include also pronouns and pronominal proclitics): mi (a) sont [mI a suNt], ti te seet [tI te se:t], lù/lee l'è [lY lE]/[le: lE], nun (a) semm [nYN a sEm], vialter (a) sii [vjalter a si:], lor (i) hinn [lu:r jIn]. I will list you also Aemilian and Friulian inf. and aff. (these langs have particular conjugation for interrogative also) pr. tense: Aem.: inf: èsser; pr.: mé a sòn, té t'î, ló l'é, nó a sèn, vó a sî, lòur i én; Fr.: inf.: jessi; pr.: o soi, tu sês, al è, o sin, o sês, a son. Unfortunately I don't have other dictionaries/grammars at hand... > > > I'm assuming that the others are suppletive forms and not out right > > > coinages. Which verms do the other forms come from??? > > > >If you are interested in odd forms, here's archaic Italian _enno_, Ligurian > >_en_, Lombard _hinn_, meaning _they are_; > > Where do *these* forms come from. They are *way* cool. Sorry, I lack infoes about where *these* are from:-) Christophe: >French comes from STARE: to stand up, Spanish from SEDERE: to sit. I'd guess >Romanian comes from FI: to become, though I wouldn't bet on it... STARE > ESTARE ok, that's the normal French development; but how's it possible that the stress shifts on the *first* syllable (in French???) and give EST(A)RE? If it were from STARE I'd expect *éter, not e^tre.. any ideas? And about Spanish estar/ser: which are their respective uses? I seem to recall positional verb/copula, respectively, but I'm not sure... Luca