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Dan Jones wrote: > > Robert Hailman wrote: > > > Hmm - that'd be good. I haven't finalized my sound changes yet, so when > > you get yours posted to romanceconlang-l, I'll see how they compare to > > what I have and we can take it from there. > > No sooner said than done. At the bottom there's also a choice selection of > examples. Mainly swear-words. > > Note that all changes are from Vulgar Latin, not Classical Latin. > > a: -> a > e: -> a > i: -> ei > o: -> o > u: -> au > > e -> ja /+stress > e -> je /#_ > o -> ü /+stress > > a -> o /_Cu > > a -> ä /_Ci > o -> ö /_Ci > u -> ü /_Ci > > ae -> ei > oe -> ei I'm assuming here you're using the othographical representation in German, so those would be /ai/. The oe -> ei change doesn't happen, it stays as /oi/ or "eu". > z -> c > h -> 0 > p -> pf /#_V > t -> z (or tz, depending on what looks nicer!) In my language, this only happens at the beginnings of words, in correlary with p -> pf. Also, I use "tz" following vowels, and "z" elsewhere. As far as I've seen, that seems to be the pattern in German. > c -> ch /V_V > c -> k > ct -> cht > pt -> ft > cl -> il /V_ > qu -> k > lv -> lb > v -> w > b -> v /V_ > vr -> ur /V_ > lc -> lch > lt -> ltz > lp -> lf > gn -> ng > nt -> n > mpt -> ntz > sc -> sch > sj -> sch > > -itia -> -etz > -ntia -> -ntz > > V -> 0 /_# > > Examples: > pfuzan - whore (has much more emphatic force. In romancelangs the p-word is > used like we use fuck in English.) > pfutz - slut > mard - shit > ingaula - bugger (vb) > se brändeila - wank o.s. (from VL brandiclar "to move about", FWIW) > kul - arse > kön - c*nt, fanny > futze - fuck > peidratz - poof (from paederast, c.f. French pédé) Ah, thanks for posting these. I've printed them out, and I'll do an A/B comparison with mine later, I've put a few comments up above. Only major thing that stands out for me is that final vowels don't dissapear in mine, they become -e. (/@/) As a result, words that end in -itia end in /ets@/, spelled -etze, rather than just -etz. Also, voiced stops and fricatives devoice at the end of words. But other than that, thanks for posting these again, I'll do a more detailed comparison and post the soudn changes I'm using later. I've got everything I've done so far on this on another computer, soo... And, while we're here, can you suggest a good resource for Vulgar Latin? I haven't had none too much luck finding anything in any significant detail yet. -- Robert