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Re: [katanda] maymavibe

Title: Re: [katanda] maymavibe
stefo,
"maymavibe" can't be a valid word.  "vibe" is a (modal) disjunct that takes one argument, a clause.  saying "mavibe" asserts that the probability of the preceding clause is "vibe", while at the same time using "ma-" to suppress expressing it since it is known from context.
the same is true of "myavibe", etc.

the "ma-" on "mavibenza" (F-s [-P]) means the first argument (patient) of "vibenza" (P/F-s) is suppressed.  same function, different result.

stevo
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stevo,
i understand this. but maybe i just wanted to provoke a reaction. :)
a modal disjunct is an open word, like transitive (middle-voiced) verbs. i don't understand why we use two types of verbs, the modal disjunct and the normal verb. we just have to understand who has been canceled out in the argument structure of a modal disjunct.

Kibe benza tumi kogonta xeku Kamaryabyo tane tumi
    = Do you accept as possible that Mary is more intelligent than you?

Be bagonta bumeze va fudi bumespu =
    There may be some ice in the refrigerator.

but who is it that accepts as possible that there is some ice in the refrigerator? is it me? then i could say it directly: "benza mi bagonta bumeze va fudi bumespu".
but maybe it's more than just a demotion of a core argument. i think by "be" one expresses that neither you nor me know it for sure if there is still some ice left, and that you could as well accept it as possible, too that there is some.

"in my opinion it must be taken possible that..."

Da sekobyo mi dawcabenza sehi pemwa = The professor told me that he
    approves of the trip.

Cabe pi peski lebuxabyo dinge nasay =
    It's possibly okay that the children went to the lake.

"in my opinion it must be taken okay that..."

Dunda
    lekocabyo jakocaskinza metanto kwa = It's optional for the students
    to study mathematics here.

Du pegompa kocabyo levekxe = The student
    can open the windows.

"in my opinion it must be taken optional that..."

Nube xenidunda Kajobyo nango = It could
    be that John needs the boat.

Nidu temba tumi lebuxabyo setoy xeku =
    It's possibly necessary that you give the children more money.

"in my opinion it must be taken necessary that..."

something like that.

stefo,
sts.