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I just posted this on the Wiki: tags are the members of selma'o BAI, CAhA, CUhE, KI, ZI, PU, VA, FAhA, ZEhA, VEhA, VIhA, TAhE and ZAhO, {number ROI} compounds, and certain combinations of all these, possibly modified by members of selma'o NAhE, SE, MOhI, FEhE and NAI. See "Internal grammar of tags" http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/Internal%20grammar%20of%20tags for details. Additionally, tags can be created from selbri as {FIhO selbri /FEhU/}. tags express binary relationships. As sumti tcita, they relate a sumti to the rest of the relationship of which the tagged sumti is a term, as selbri tcita they relate a glorked sumti to the rest of the relationship. They can also be used as connectives, in which case they relate one connectand to the other. In principle, every tag should be expressible as fi'o broda for some suitable broda. The x1 of broda is the first argument of the tag, which corresponds to the sumti in sumti tcita, and to the glorked sumti in selbri tcita. For example, the tag {ki'u}, or {fi'o krinu}, tags a sumti that corresponds to the x1 of krinu. Tha tag {ba}, or {fi'o selbalvi}, tags a sumti that corresponds to the x1 of selbalvi. ki'ugi broda gi brode ki'u lo nu broda cu brode lo nu broda cu krinu lo nu brode because it brodas, it brodes bagi broda gi brode ba lo nu broda cu brode lo nu broda cu selbalvi lo nu brode after it brodas, it brodes ni'agi broda gi brode ni'a lo nu broda cu brode lo nu broda cu selni'a lo nu brode under where it brodas, it brodes ka'egi broda gi brode ka'e lo nu broda cu brode lo nu broda cu selcu'i lo nu brode if it brodas, it could brode So far so good. Now what happens if we want to use the tag as an afterthought connective? Unfortunately, there is no uniform rule: ki'ugi broda gi brode brode iki'ubo broda bagi broda gi brode broda ibabo brode With BAIs, the first argument follows the afterthought tag, the second argument comes first. With PUs, it is the other way around. It should be noticed that PUs work like the asymmetrical logical connectives: gu broda gi brode broda iju brode However, the more intuitive rule, it seems to me, is the one followed by BAIs. Indeed, I would prefer {gu broda gi brode} to mean {brode iju broda}. Nothing is said in CLL (I think) about other tags as afterthought connectives, but presumably FAhAs at least would behave like PUs: ni'agi broda gi brode broda ini'abo brode under where it brodas, it brodes Intuitively I would read the second one the other way around. Comments? mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com