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la nitcion cusku di'e > The onus may still be on me to prove that a fully > extensionalist system will work; but a fully intensionalist system, I > repeat, is not Lojban as it is defined, *no matter what usage has > done*. Unless you show how the fully extensionalist system would work, the answer would seem to be that we should provide both options. Certainly not intensional-only. The proposal in question leaves the explicitly quantified expressions equivalent to the current prescription, i.e. fully extensional. If someone wanted to restrict their usage to be fully extensional, all they would have to do is use {su'o broda} instead of {lo broda}. The extensional meaning remains available with {su'o broda}. The intensional meaning is useful (needed even) and has been used. The change does not invalidate previous usage. >(I reiterate, to Jorge's use of my own usage against me, that on > this issue, usage doesn't count for anything with me, the gadri system > being so alien from English to begin with, and so poorly documented and > understood.) I wasn't actually looking for your usage in particular when I found the example, but rather some such usage in the published la lojban mo. It was just a bonus that it was from you. > And extensionalism is not a trivial detail of the > definition of Lojban, but its cornerstone. For some people, yes. Therefore, it should remain a full feature of the language, and so it does in this proposal where quantifiers retain their extensional meaning. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com