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xorxes: > la and cusku di'e > > > > > Here's how it might be done: > > > > > > > > (tu'o) lu'i ko'a e ko'e > > > > = the set that includes ko'a e ko'e and that excludes ro da poi > > > > ko'a e ko'e na du ke'a > > > > = the set {ko'a, ko'e} > > > (where na is naku). Right. > [...] > > > The problem is that it fails for {lu'i ko'a a ko'e} and > > > therefore also for {lu'i su'o broda}, which is the set that > > > includes at least one broda but excludes everything which > > > is not equal to every broda, i.e. it excludes everything if there > > > is more than one broda. > > > > You're right, but it's still probably the most useful definition of > > lu'i/lu'o, in that it yields something useful for ro & e. > > Testing some other cases, {lu'i ko'a u ko'e} gives just {lu'i ko'a}, > but I think we would want it to cover {ko'a} and {ko'a, ko'e}, i.e > include ko'a and may or may not include ko'e. > > I propose instead the following heuristic definition: > > su'o lu'i <sumti>: a set X such that <sumti> cmima X and > nothing not mentioned in <sumti> cmima X. > > This gives the same results as before for e and ro, but it > also gives the right intuitive results for a, u, and su'o: > {su'o lu'i ko'a a ko'e} is {ko'a}, {ko'e}, or {ko'a, ko'e}. > {su'o lu'i ko'a u ko'e} is {ko'a} or {ko'a, ko'e}. > {su'o lu'i su'o broda} is some set of some number of broda, but > containing nothing that is not a broda. > > I'm not sure how to formalize it better, but I think that's > what we want. Given the laudable effort to give LAhE a strictly compositional interpretation, it is necessary to formalize this heuristic definition. I had already tried and failed. --And.