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la nitcion cusku di'e > But what would a day on jboske be without me yelling at Jorge? Your yells are always well received. > > You are assuming that distributive is the default reading of plurals, > > but I don't agree that this is the case. I think collective is a more > > useful default reading, i.e. I don't assume distributivity unless > > explicitly marked. > > Jorge, I should hope you're not now humpty-dumptying English as well as > Lojban! :-) The interpretation in English is contextually determined, > primarily by the verb, so I don't see why talk of a default in English > is even meaningful. I didn't mean to talk of a default in English. I said that some properties are properties both of the group and of the members, and that in those cases I think using the collective is usually better. (It certainly makes the logic much simpler to handle.) >(And what's *useful* in English? Natlangs don't > work like that. I do know I find it difficult to credit emergent > properties are more commonplace than non-emergent ones, though.) Looking at that paragraph: one generic plural, two emergents, no distributive. Perhaps the sample is not large enough to be significant though. :) > In Lojban, of course, the distributivity of {(za'u) lo} is definitional > to {lo}, and non-negotiable. Since {lo} is distributive, and the > English plural is *frequently* distributive, the tendency to use {loi} > as a generic plural (which is there) does indeed need to be combatted. > The minute people say {loi X cu nelci}, say, there's a better than even > chance they're doing something wrong... I see more errors in Lojban the other way, people using distributive plurals which if taken at face value give absurd claims. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com