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la djorden cusku di'e > Yeah I don't think anyone thinks {ri} is vauge (except maybe xorxes). I don't think {ri} is intended to be vague. I do think there are hard to determine cases (embedded sumti for example). Also, I don't know if there is an authoritative list of which KOhA can be antecedents of {ri} (ce'u, ma, zo'e?, ...?) and which can't (most of them). mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com