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Re: [jboske] lo = da poi? Re: events which don't exist do, because our gadri don't do what we need (was Re:"x1 is a Y for doing x2"

On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 02:16:33AM +0100, And Rosta wrote:
> Jordan:
> > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 05:08:09PM +0100, And Rosta wrote:
> > > Jordan:
> > > #>>> fracture@hidden.email 06/02/03 03:54pm >>>
> > > #On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 03:15:02AM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote:
> > > #> At 07:02 PM 6/1/03 -0400, John Cowan wrote:
> > > #> >Invent Yourself scripsit:
> > > #> > > of "lo broda = da poi broda" 
> > > #> >
> > > #> >I believe it 
> > > #> 
> > > #> Whereas I rejected that equation in 1994, and still do.  I just decided 
> > > #> that it wasn't worth further argument 
> > > #
> > > #Well, it's baselined now, so it doesn't matter whether you reject it 
> > > #
> > > #And for that matter, why the hell would you possibly reject it?
> > > 
> > > The horrendous jboske debates of the end of 2002 saw some reasons,
> > > adduced by me, for questioning it 
> > > 
> > > In brief, the argument was as follows:
> > > 
> > > IF
> > > (a) {loi djacu} != {lo djacu}
> > > (b) {da djacu} neutralizes the distinction between {da du lo djacu} and
> > > {da du loi djacu}
> > > THEN
> > > {da poi ke'a djacu} can refer to the same thing as {da poi ke'a du loi
> > > djacu}, and hence to {loi djacu} 
> > > 
> > > In other words, {da poi broda} would be neutral between {lo broda}
> > > and {loi broda} 
> > > 
> > > HOWEVER, we do not all agree on premise (b). Arguably {lo}={da poi}
> > > is more 'baselined' than (b), and it is (b) that has to be abandoned 
> > 
> > I don't understand what you mean in (b) 
> 
> The claim made by (b) is that if "da du lo djacu" then "da djacu"
> and if "da du loi djacu" then "da djacu". 

Depending on whether I understand, I think the second part of this
claim is wrong.  If "da du loi djacu", then "da djacu girzu".  But
since ro is nonimporting, and the girzu can presumably be null, it
doesn't require that "de djacu".

-- 
Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
                                     sei la mark. tuen. cusku

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